Comments on: I hate the ‘community’ http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/ Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:45:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bloc Hotels http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-67001 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:57:08 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-67001 Love this!!! And so very true

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By: Sch01ar http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63777 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:20:28 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63777 Danny – yeah; keep it flowing. As David says; write another. Keep your gentle pen for the public; coax ’em, cajole and cuddle. Treat peers like sucker mc’s. David, I just RSS’d your blog – best thing I’ve read in months. And Lee – how you doin’ chap? Too long.

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By: David Green http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63683 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:52:51 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63683 I think it was all right. Syntax and grammatical errors all over the shop, but the tone pretty much dominated. Some good blood being smeared. You should write another; it’ll help you clarify.

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By: Danny Smith http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63639 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:48:42 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63639 Hello, my name is Danny Smith and I did indeed write the, in parts I agree, incoherent diatribe above and I suppose I owe it too a few people to clarify my views somewhat.

The main thing I hate, if I hate anything, is the word itself, community. In fact the title, was supposed to be ‘The ‘C’ Word’ although, thinking about it, that probably wouldn’t have shifted the focus. That word is used to hide a lot of terrible ideas, flawed funding streams, and shifts of responsibility to the groups of people councils should be helping (see. Big Society).

*Of course* I’m not against networks of people that support and interact with each other. I do think its a bad idea to try and force these networks or presume they exist instead of actually seeking out and helping the ones that already exist.

I do, however, think a lot of community art is rubbish, but that’s fine because I think a lot of other established ‘mainstream’ art is also rubbish. Making the distinction between the two is actually patronising to the former.

To be honest the post was more of a writing exercise, I wanted to hit a certain tone, a style that I sometimes flirt with. I sent it to Chris and Ian honestly thinking that it wouldn’t get posted and if it did it would make a change from the very neutral, balanced pieces the call for submissions would almost certainly attract.

I am not however trying to retract anything I wrote or even apologise for it, merely clarify.

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By: Danny Smith ‘hates the community’ http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63614 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:44:51 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63614 […] Over on Created in Birmingham, Danny Smith has, in best Danny tradition, written a provocative piece in which he questions the value and merit of community arts projects. […]

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By: Lee http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63609 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:24:07 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63609 I take it back – don’t stop writing drunk, there’s actually people talking here now – I owe you a pint for getting some debate going.

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By: Lee http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63607 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:16:57 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63607 I agree entirely with the bits that mades sense – not much of it unfortunately – can you try and write something whilst sober occassionally, Danny? Probably not. Anyway, art done with people doesn’t have to be dumbed down or reduced in production values – people ain’t stupid, though often a change of language and approach has to be considered. But polarised and reductive ‘arguments’ like in Danny’s post are always welcome to kick off debate. Makes a change for those of us out here working in the real world not to be ignored. I fucking hate the community,too, but I love people!

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By: Marcus Belben http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63603 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:10:37 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63603 I love ‘community’, even if word is a bit tired and been used to cover a load of not so very community stuff. Ten years ago I wrote a fair bit about Community Art, Art therapy, Public Art, precisely because I didn’t want to be some arse admiring my own naval, selling meaningless dross to rich folk. I guess there’s a fair bit between the extremes of ‘community’ art and ‘high’ art, but if it’s a straight choice, take me to the bingo.

It’s true, I feel more at home in an old community centre than an elitist institution of ‘high’ art. I guess whatever art you dig is fine, but community art isn’t about art by committee – It’s about discussing issues (using art) with people beyond your bedroom window. I agree, mostly it hangs around for longer than it should, and is probably meaningless to you (and anyone else who didn’t make it). But that’s because you’re too old to be playing table tennis at the youth club. You, your gang/unit/community/ group probably has no problems finding a wall to draw on.

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By: Sch01ar http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63564 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:35:13 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63564 Ha ha ha! Mockney thuggery;) But you’re right Chris – be great to map the wordology. For instance, compare the straight-talking way the Arts Council spoke in 1966; the year I was born:

“The major purpose for which we must use our money is to cultivate new audiences for the arts; it must not be done by means of a confidence trick… It is very necessary, if we are to be a civilised and cultivated nation, that we teach people the worthwhile things in life” (Lord Goodman, chair, Annual Report of 1966)

and here’s today’s quangospeak:
“We’ve worked with our funded organisations to introduce new ways to measure
how effective we are at working together as a sector, leading to the recruitment of 150 artistic assessors and a new self-evaluation framework for arts organisations.” (Alan Davey, Chief Exec, Annual Review 2010)

Perhaps Danny could write next year’s report? – I’m up for proofreading :)

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By: Jake Grimley http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/2011/03/22/i-hate-the-community/#comment-63402 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:59:38 +0000 http://www.createdinbirmingham.com/?p=9461#comment-63402 Finally, something worth commenting on on CiB.

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